1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,840 On this episode of Destination Truth, Josh travels to the northern jungles of Cambodia 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,520 on the trail of a half-man, half-ape creature that is terrorizing small villages. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,040 Did he look like this? 4 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:14,560 The first look like a monkey. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,560 And we're within that perimeter. We just keep swimming. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:25,120 Next, the team heads to Africa, where locals say a dinosaur is stalking fishermen in northern Zambia. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:34,160 Will Josh get to the bottom of the story, or will he find the evidence has gone extinct? 8 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:39,280 I got something red hot in the water. Something just cruised right by the thermal. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,640 I'm Josh Gates. In my travels, I've seen some unexplainable things which have raised strange 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,480 questions. Now I've pulled together a team armed with the latest technology in the search for answers. 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,440 I'm not sure what's out there waiting for me, but I know what I'm looking for. The truth. 12 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,600 You know the story of Tarzan. Half-man, half-ape, surviving in the jungle with only a loincloth 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,800 and some bananas. Well, the people of Cambodia say they have a real Tarzan living in their jungles, 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,880 but he's not the good guy we all remember from the movies. Here are the facts. 15 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Residents in a small Cambodian village spotted an ape-like wild man running through the outskirts 16 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,320 of their town. They describe this wild man as a hairy humanoid creature and say he is terrorized 17 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:31,360 the region by attacking livestock and stealing food for years. But this time the wild man was 18 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,640 spotted with a female companion. Eyewitnesses say she had hair down to her knees, was covered in filth, 19 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:42,400 and was completely naked. Now get this, the villagers managed to capture the girl. After 20 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,200 being cleaned up, she was identified by a local man as his daughter, who vanished into the forest 21 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,240 18 years ago. As for the wild man, he escaped from the heroic villagers and was last seen 22 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,360 running back into the jungle. This incredible story has made international headlines and I was 23 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,960 more than intrigued. Is there an ape man living in the forests of Cambodia? Could this girl who has 24 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,880 still yet to speak a word to anyone provide some answers? Casey would be our lead cameraman, 25 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Brad would serve as our field producer, and Araceli joined us as lead assistant. 26 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,080 My team and I headed out to launch an investigation before the trail got cold. 27 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:23,040 We flew across the Pacific to the city of Phnom Penh, the capital of the Kingdom of Cambodia, 28 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 where we met up with the rest of our crew. Our luggage on the other hand went somewhere else 29 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,400 entirely. There's a lot of things that are going to hurt us if we don't get that gear. 30 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 That's not good. I don't have a boom pole. 31 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Nothing just got in. I don't have a pair of underwear. That sucks. That'll give myself. 32 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,600 Sound Apartments good. What a team player, right? I'm sorry. 33 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Let's go in and see what we can pick up for the investigation. 34 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Do you have any, do you have any nets? Nets? No, we're not rope. Do you sell rope? 35 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,360 Steel cages? Cages? Do you sell cages here? 36 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:14,000 How do you sell them? Like metal cages. Do you sell those? Do you sell total room bars? 37 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,520 Yeah. Oh, perfect. Yeah. 38 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,080 We got him. Just because he's a wild man doesn't mean he wouldn't appreciate some fine duty-free 39 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,880 chocolates. As dawn arrived, so did our missing luggage. We were back on track. 40 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Our first order of business was to sit down with writer Nick Ray. Nick is a respected journalist 41 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,560 who broke the story of the wild man and the jungle girl. I wanted to know if he believed 42 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,720 there could really be a wild man in the woods or if there was an alternate explanation. 43 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Nick is the authority on this story and badass enough to pull off a scarf in a hundred degree heat. 44 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,360 The story broke out that this girl had emerged from the jungle and one of the 45 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,120 jari people was adamant that he saw her with another companion who was bigger and probably 46 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,760 male like a jungle man with sort of almost long dreadlocked, tousaled hair and loin cloth. You 47 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,520 know, somebody really, you know, forest person. What do you what do you think's happening out here? 48 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,680 I think one theory because when soon after she was found she had scarring on the wrist 49 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,880 and that was consistent with two things. It's either consistent with a snare, 50 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,920 like an animal trap of which there are many in the forest. But of course there's another 51 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,720 interpretation which is is this the mark of binding and that she was chained up for long 52 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,400 periods and then eventually escaped. There's a lot of possibilities but I think, you know, 53 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,360 jungle man or captive in some way or shape or form are the most likely, I think. 54 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Nick told us that we could find the girl in the northern village of Oyedao. 55 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,760 If we could get to her, maybe she could tell me where I might find the wild man. The problem was 56 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,000 she hadn't spoken a single word of Cambodian or any other language since she was found. 57 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,440 I knew I'd have my work cut out for me but we'd chartered a plane that would take us to 58 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,400 Ratnakeery. We'd have to drive the rest of the way to Oyedao. 59 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,520 The flight was a harsh reminder about just how dense, uncharged and mysterious the terrain of 60 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Cambodia really is. Could something be living down there in the jungle that science has yet 61 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,520 to catalog? Is it possible an intelligent species could elude being photographed or captured? 62 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,160 We landed on a tiny airstrip and transferred to 4x4s. The journey to Oyedao where the girl 63 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,840 lives with her father was just beginning. We passed evidence that not everyone who took 64 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:22,240 this road made it to their destination. Although why anyone would try to travel through the jungle 65 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,240 in a busted Toyota Corolla is beyond me. 66 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,840 We stopped at an outdoor market to refuel the jeeps and get a bite to eat. 67 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,440 These are big fried spiders. Yeah they're really good. So it's all about folks. 68 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,720 That is a good spider. 69 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:03,760 Tastes like chicken. 70 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,360 I almost washed it. 71 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,200 She's got a muscle through it a little. 72 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Alright pass the pallet. 73 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Brad? T-bono's doing for sure. 74 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,120 Right here? 75 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,920 That's hard. You don't want that. Take the legs. Legs are good. 76 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Yeah they're very good. 77 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,220 Good. 78 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,440 Alright enough of that. After what can only be described as the worst fast food ever, 79 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,080 we pressed on to Oyedao and then the rain came. 80 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,000 The rainstorm posed a serious threat to our progress since the muddy roads could become impassable. 81 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,600 Despite warnings from the locals to wait until the rain stopped, I wanted to get to the heart of 82 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,240 this story as soon as possible. So we pressed on, drove through the night and finally arrived 83 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,320 in Oyedao by morning. A local man took me to where the jungle girl lived with her father. 84 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,760 If the girl in fact spent time with the wild man, I hope she could provide me with clues 85 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:20,160 on how to find him. We were just steps away from crucial information to our investigation. 86 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Is that your uncle? Is this his daughter? 87 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,200 She was found near this village and when he saw her, he knew it was her immediately. 88 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:56,080 He goes to see her in the jungle. She doesn't remember him and he doesn't remember his daughter 89 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:02,080 also because of my dusty and then he brings her to take a shower and then he sees the map on her leg. 90 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,760 The scar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now one of the people that was there when she was found 91 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,880 saw her with his hairy creature. Does he think that maybe she was with this jungle man? 92 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Okay, does he believe that she knows where he is? 93 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,720 He's not sure. He doesn't know about it. He cannot tell. 94 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,320 So, but is she speaking at all? Is she able to use any language? 95 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,480 Since the girl couldn't speak, I asked the father if she had given him any clues as to the whereabouts 96 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,680 of the wild man. He showed me some pictures that the girl had recently drawn. Were these drawings 97 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:49,600 the girl's depiction of the wild man? It was unclear. The drawings and the girl's sedentary 98 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:54,240 and utterly non-communicative behavior were unsettling. The locals claim this was a result 99 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,280 of her living in the jungle for the last 18 years. If that's true, she would have needed someone's 100 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:05,200 help to survive. But how to prove it? If she'd been gone 18 years and I could prove she's this 101 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,160 man's missing daughter, that could go a long way in establishing that someone or something 102 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,360 may have helped her to survive in the wild all of those years. The only way to prove these two 103 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,360 were father and daughter was by taking a saliva sample and comparing the DNA. 104 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,160 Getting the girl to understand that we wanted her to spit in a bag was no easy task. 105 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,040 Like that. 106 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Like that. 107 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:37,040 Like that. 108 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,760 No, let's not, let's not, let's not give her that. That's, that's okay. I tell you what, I'll, 109 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,680 I'll, I'll help her with the apple. I don't think she needs a huge cleaver to cut that up with. 110 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:50,960 I think Mel needs to bleed. 111 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,640 We wouldn't have the results of the DNA test until we got back to the states. In the meantime, 112 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,480 the father pointed me in the direction of the village where the girl was originally found and 113 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,520 where the wild man was last seen running back into the jungle. He also told me about a man who 114 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,560 claimed to have had a run in with the wild man just days ago. It was only a short diversion from where 115 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:21,520 we were headed, but there were no roads from here on in. So we had to find a more comical form of 116 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,320 transportation. 117 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,720 This is what you call first class travel. 118 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,960 I went to talk to the man who claimed he saw the wild man and like my five ton friend here, 119 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,320 I'm all ears. I understand that you had an experience where you saw this jungle man, 120 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,840 yes? And this jungle man that he saw, what did the jungle man look like? 121 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,080 So the jungle man that he saw, did he look like this? 122 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,040 He said it's similar like this. 123 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,400 Kong said the wild man was headed in the direction of the village where locals spotted him and 124 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,120 captured the girl. Good news since that's exactly where I was headed. Maybe the villagers there 125 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,160 who spotted the wild man could put me on his trail with any luck I'd have my own wild man encounter. 126 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,600 He was one of the woodcutters that was out there who saw the girl with the jungle man? 127 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:36,000 Wow. Yeah, he's the man that he saw jungle man and woman. Now it was on this side of the village, 128 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:42,640 right? No, no, no, no. On this side. I spoke with some other people in the village who claimed to 129 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,600 have their own run-ins with the wild man. They all said the same thing. He appears to be half human, 130 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:53,440 half ape. He wears no clothes, walks upright and the locals are terrified of him. He comes out at 131 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,600 night along the edge of the village looking for food and will steal anything he finds to eat. 132 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,280 He's even been known to attack livestock. On each occasion, he made his escape back into the 133 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,360 forest to the west of the village. The sun was setting so we had to move quickly to the west 134 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,760 where the villagers claimed the wild man has been known to emerge from the jungle. That's where we'd 135 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,840 set up our investigation for the night. The only way to get there was over this less than 136 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,040 sturdy looking makeshift bridge. Got some dicey wood over here. 137 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:30,080 And that is how you do that. We arrived at the spot where numerous villagers have seen the wild 138 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,960 man coming and going. Here was the plan. Araceli and I would head out on an initial sweep of the 139 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,520 perimeter along with Erica and Paunch who would operate camera and audio. Our thermal imager 140 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,000 would pick up anything alive and moving out there in the darkness. Brad and Casey would stay at 141 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,640 base camp and monitor four cameras that covered a 360 degree view of our camp, 142 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,800 including one camera that was aimed at a bowl of food left as bait for the wild man. 143 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Many species of large cats inhabit this area, so we need everyone to keep eyes and ears open 144 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:13,840 for any signs of tigers on the prowl. 145 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:20,240 It's just so interesting as if they keep coming back to this point to the wild man. 146 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:27,040 There's just so little physical evidence. And you know the thing that's looking down there, 147 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:35,840 that's big. It's big enough like it looks like a group. That's big. 148 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:44,080 Oh no, that's moving. That's moving. That's moving. 149 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,400 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. That's walking. 150 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Base camp, this is Josh. I'm picking up something hot. 151 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,880 Kind of proceeding with extreme caution here. All right, copy that. Stay in contact. 152 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:07,360 Let's just move sort of slow and steady here. Should we go closer? Yeah, come on. 153 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Do you want to let Shusha get in front? No, I think Shusha maybe you should not go in front, 154 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,720 but I don't really know what it is. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. 155 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,760 Whatever it is, it peeled off into the tree line. 156 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,760 I got nothing on here. 157 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,400 Whenever we saw on the thermal imager disappeared quickly. We looked all around the area but couldn't 158 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,320 find whatever it was. We decided to head back to base to analyze the footage. 159 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:56,560 Keep that thing out. I got it. It's not picking anything up. 160 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:02,560 What was that? 161 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,880 Base camp, this is Josh. We're coming back now. We got some stuff going bump in the bushes. 162 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,880 We need to kind of figure out our best approach to this. We're going to track back towards you guys now. 163 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,920 You just stay close to me. 164 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,040 All right, we need a little bit of a regroup here. There is something big. 165 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Yeah, I mean something's walking around out there so let's look at what we found on the 166 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,560 tape before we go. Let's peel this stuff off and see what we can see. 167 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,800 It's weird. It's like sometimes I look at it and it looks like it's looking around. 168 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:00,240 That's it. It peeled off into the tree line. I think the thing to do is once we get new 169 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 tapes in the cameras and everything reloaded, maybe just take another flight down that road. 170 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,040 I don't think I'll help and I'm already kind of freaked out about what's there. 171 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,720 I'm cool to head out. I think you might be better out there. 172 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Okay, I'll cover your back. Ponce you're going to come and roll sound. 173 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,520 Shush and Selly, you guys stay back at base camp. We'll see you soon. 174 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,200 You guys keep watching the monitor. 175 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:51,680 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 176 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Mad ridiculous amounts of ants, Josh. Watch out. 177 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,520 Fire ants. Fight. 178 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,880 You know, we know we have a perimeter that we want to search here and we're within that 179 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,440 perimeter and we just keep swinging. Holy s***. 180 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Right there. Right there. Are you looking at something cruised right there? I swear to God. 181 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:53,040 Holy s***. Come in. Come in. Are you guys okay? 182 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,480 Base to Josh, please come in. 183 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,680 Josh, come in. Do you read? 184 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:20,880 I don't know what we're doing. I don't know. Is anybody copying? We're definitely getting 185 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,200 worried. We cannot hear any contact from you. 186 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,200 Yeah, we copy. We're just trying to investigate something here. 187 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:32,480 Okay, good. Thanks. 188 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:48,400 What did you see? It's like a dark figure right through that clearing right there. 189 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:13,360 Stop. 190 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,400 Something's right up in there. 191 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,400 Holy s***. 192 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,400 Looks like it's moving. It does look like it's a warfight right there. 193 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:45,280 It was huge. Yeah, there's something bumping around in there for sure. There's just no way to 194 00:19:45,280 --> 00:20:02,080 get a better shot up here. But definitely something moving around that was giving off heat in there. 195 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:17,040 After a few hours of searching in the thick jungle brush, we couldn't find any footprints or any 196 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,000 other evidence of the dark figure Brad thought he saw. We decided to head back to camp. With the 197 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,640 sun on the horizon and the crew exhausted, I ended the investigation with a lot of work left to be 198 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:32,560 done. I took the saliva samples I collected from the jungle girl and her father back to the 199 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,120 states for DNA testing. If they are in fact biologically related, then it would at least 200 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:42,240 validate that she had survived in hiding for 18 years, undoubtedly with someone's help. 201 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,160 If on the other hand she is not the man's daughter, her entire story would be cast and 202 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,280 in doubt. We met with Dr. MJ Hajinapur from Gene Trek Genetics to find out the results of the 203 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:58,880 paternity test. The first thing we do is to run a what we call viability test. In most cases, 204 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:06,960 these samples may not have enough DNA. Were you able to determine viability? Was there enough DNA 205 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:16,080 in the sample? The lab report says that either the DNA was not sufficient or it was degraded because 206 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:23,120 of heat or maybe the person drank something before the test. But it looks like for now 207 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,960 we have no answers. Alright, so we're going to have to go back to Cambodia to get some more DNA. 208 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,400 Because she ate an apple before we collected her DNA, the sample became too degraded to analyze. 209 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,200 For now, the truth behind the jungle girl's story would remain a mystery. Our last piece of 210 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,240 evidence was a tantalizing hit on our thermal imager. Casey is set to work on enhancing the footage. 211 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,120 You caught this just as it was kind of going off into the woods down this trail here. We pushed in 212 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,600 really hard to tell kind of what we we have there. I worked on it with some image enhancing software 213 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:02,720 to clean it up a little bit. And as you can see, that's the clean version. A little bit more definition 214 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,120 as you see something kind of popping out at the bottom there, but still really tough to tell. 215 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,920 Looking at it, it doesn't readily appear to be a quadruped, but it also doesn't really look like 216 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,960 it's humanoid. I mean, I don't know what to make of it. Right. You know, that is one of the shortcomings 217 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,560 of that thermal imager, at least from that range, is that we just don't get a lot of definition. No. 218 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,080 That could be, you know, a limb, but it's very difficult to kind of determine what that is. And 219 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,200 this is right as it was kind of sneaking off into the into the forest. Well, that remains a mystery 220 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,240 then that that one is still still a question mark. Without being able to clean up the thermal image 221 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,080 further, we may never know what was lurking in the jungles with us that night, although the most 222 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,960 probable creature would be a tiger, which leaves me feeling lucky to be in one piece. Also, it is 223 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,440 unclear if the traumatized girl I met in Oya-Dow had been living in the jungle by herself or not, 224 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,760 but the multiple eyewitnesses who saw her in the company of a wild man were credible to me. 225 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,920 As my team and I get ready to journey on to another mysterious case, we're left wondering if the 226 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,040 wild man is really a half man, half ape living in the forest or if there is some other explanation. 227 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,000 And you never know. In time, the answer might just come walking back out of the thick Cambodian jungle. 228 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,000 Unless you've been living under a rock, you're familiar with Michael Crichton's 229 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,800 dino classic Jurassic Park. You know the story. Genetically engineered dinosaurs run amuck and 230 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,640 make dinner out of us unsuspecting humans. Well, it turns out that we might not need 231 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,920 science to make us a dinosaur. One could still exist. Locals throughout the Congo River basin and 232 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,640 the swamps of northern Zambia say a real dinosaur has survived extinction and is alive and well 233 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,200 in feeding on native fishermen. Known as the Mokavi Mbembe, there have been recorded sightings 234 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,480 of this beast dating back nearly 300 years. Extensive expeditions were dispatched to the 235 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,360 region throughout the 20th century, including a team from the Smithsonian. And then, for a time, 236 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:53,360 the trail went cold. Until now, villagers around Lake Banguelu in northern Zambia have been coming 237 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,760 forward in recent months with new and dramatic eyewitness accounts that have caught my attention. 238 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,880 The heat on this story was back, and I knew I had to launch my own investigation. Along with Casey, 239 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,520 our lead cameraman, producer Brad and lead assistant Araceli, we packed up the equipment 240 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,600 and headed for Africa to investigate the curious claims of a living dinosaur. My 241 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,040 team and I flew 21 hours from Los Angeles to the city of Lusaka Zambia in southern Africa. 242 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Eyewitnesses of the Mokali Mbembe say that the creature is reddish-brown, 243 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,440 about the size of an elephant, and has an extremely long neck and tail. Throughout recorded history, 244 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,480 Zambia has been home to hunter-gatherers, big game, and exotic wildlife. Could people in this 245 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:37,200 isolated nation really be seeing a dinosaur that survived the last 65 million years? I was about to 246 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,680 find out. We landed in the capital city of Lusaka, and we're still a long way from Lake 247 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,920 Banguelu, the epicenter of the recent sightings. Welcome to Zambia! 248 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,720 We wrangled a couple of 4x4s to take us to the northwestern shore of the lake. With a 10-hour 249 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,040 drive ahead of us, we pulled off to try to find something to eat. What do you got here? 250 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,640 Oh, I'll give you 50,000. I don't even know what you're selling. You're selling gross caterpillars. 251 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,360 Tell me. People eat these. They good? 252 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Oh, they're gross. 253 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,600 They good? Oh, they're gross. 254 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,160 Oh, gross. 255 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520 With a belly full of caterpillars, we continued on to the lake. 256 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,440 Things are bigger in Africa, and this lake is no exception. Roughly the size of Connecticut 257 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,840 and ringed with swamp lands, this was going to be a challenge. With such a massive search area, 258 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,400 even something as large as a dinosaur would be easy to miss. I needed to narrow my focus. 259 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,080 So I talked with the director of the Lake's Nature Reserve, whose knowledge of the area could help 260 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,800 me pinpoint where the Mokale might live. Has the lake and the swamps around it been very well 261 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,080 explored or not very well explored? According to historical books, much has been done by the 262 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,920 missionaries, and so we cannot tell that there's been actually a focus on just exploring and 263 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,240 understanding its physical features beyond missionary work. Do you think there's a possibility 264 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,800 that maybe something lives in the lake that has not been discovered? The swamp is so big. 265 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Probably if you sit so much, you can find something. Where do you think it would live? 266 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,920 The swamps, because it's the most area that has got vegetation. I'm sure the swamps 267 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,360 hasn't been explored to the extent. With the expert's confirmation that there could be something 268 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,600 unidentified living here, I figured the vast swamp lands would be the most likely place this 269 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,680 creature would call home. There's plenty of wildlife to feed on and endless places to hide 270 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,160 due to the extensive vegetation in the water. No question, the southern swamps would be a 271 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,280 dino-mite place to set up my investigation. But before I got my feet wet, I wanted to find out 272 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,160 what the locals had to say about the idea of a dinosaur living in their swamp. I met with a man 273 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,800 from the World Wildlife Fund who knows the southern swamp region of the lake better than anyone. 274 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:03,680 Tell me about some of the large animals that live in the lake. The hippo. The hippo. And the 275 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:11,040 crocodiles. Crocodiles. Now how big do these hippos get? The weight could be about two tons. 276 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,240 Two tons? And how long can they get? About two and a half meters. Two and a half meters. People 277 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,240 claim that they've seen the mochele in a membe. He's out in the lake. Do you think maybe they're 278 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,000 seeing just the tops of hippos or the tops of crocodiles? Probably. What would happen then if 279 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,960 I was in a small boat and I ran into a group of hippos? You can be attacked. I could be attacked. 280 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:39,920 Yes. It will bite me? Bite? Yeah. Cut to? It will cut me into half into two pieces? Yes. Oh boy, 281 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,080 that doesn't sound fun. Even though Jerome himself wasn't a believer, he pointed me in the 282 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,480 direction of a nearby island where he said several of the villagers have reported run-ins with the 283 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,640 mochele. The island was only a short distance from the southern swamps where I intended to 284 00:27:52,640 --> 00:28:00,560 investigate. And he even offered to take me there in his boat. How about these boats? Can we get a 285 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,560 better price if we take these? There's this island that's populated and they claim to have had first 286 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,760 hand encounters. And really that's our source point of eyewitnesses for this. Right. So we need to get 287 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,320 to them and it's going to take two and a half hours and we got a lot of fuel. Sky full of clouds. 288 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,200 Yeah, it's probably going to rain. I'm going to dump on us at some point. And they got crocs. 289 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,840 They got hippos. They got mocheles. Well, yeah. 290 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Okay. One pole. Two poles. Three poles. Four poles. That's five. Six poles. It's prime. Seven. 291 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,880 It's getting a little, uh, it's past 10. That's eight. And we're up on eight. 292 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,080 And our motor's dead. 293 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,360 We got our motor running and continued on to the island. Along the way, I stopped to talk to some 294 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,440 local fishermen who spend every day on these waters to see if they recognize the mochele. 295 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200 We asked these guys if they've ever seen anything strange in the water. 296 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,960 What do you say? Only hippos and crocodiles. 297 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Hello. Have you guys seen this? Mochele. 298 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,800 Have you guys seen this? Mochele, vimembe. 299 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,400 After a long, slow, and thankfully croc-free boat ride, we finally arrived at the island. 300 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,160 I'd read claims that the creature is as big as an elephant, so I wanted to talk to some 301 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,120 credible eyewitnesses who could help me determine just what exactly I'd be dealing with once we 302 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:50,960 made it to the swamps. We're coming into the village here on this island, and my suspicion 303 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,400 is that we are kind of barnabalos right now. Everything has stopped. Everyone has just stopped. 304 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,080 Everything they're doing to stare at the three dumb white guys on their island. 305 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:08,080 Where are we going? I saw, I see. All right, let's go. Okay. It's good. I didn't realize I was on 306 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,520 wheelbarrow duty today. You can help me. I am helping you. I have a problem. Are you still 307 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,520 screaming at me and I'm pushing your wheelbarrow? I don't understand. I see. Stepping onto the 308 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,920 island was a lot like walking into a production of Peter Pan, a lot of kids. 309 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,640 It's a pretty big island. It's like 11 kilometers across. Pretty well populated. Look at this cute guy. 310 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Are there any adults in this village? We're the adults. We're your parents. Everybody hears like nine. 311 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,800 I waded my way through the island of Lost Boys and finally found an adult who I was relieved 312 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,520 didn't have a hook for a hand. However, he did have a story about coming face to face with the Mokele. 313 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:08,160 Okay. So it comes out of the water. 314 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,160 And is it very dangerous? Is it a very aggressive creature? 315 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,040 It can overturn a boat. Well, that's dangerous. I heard of another man in the village who also 316 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,840 had an encounter with the Mokele and said that he knew exactly where we could find him back through 317 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:34,720 the kids again. He says you wouldn't want to come close to it to the boat. 318 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,240 So where specifically does this creature live? Where does it live? He went on to say he believes 319 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,200 the Mokele lives in the nearby southern swamps consistent with the reports I heard. He added 320 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,520 that the beast can also sometimes be seen in the open water surrounding the swamps so we didn't rule 321 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,640 that area out either. I was amazed to see that other villagers all recognized the Mokele and 322 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,440 pointed us to the southern province of the lake. The same area where both of our witnesses and our 323 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,920 experts said the creature is known to live. It was clear my plan to search in the south was the 324 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,320 best chance for success. With darkness coming, we would head to the southern swamps in the morning. 325 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,640 The captain informed me that he needed to make a quick pit stop. What is it that we're getting? 326 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,960 Oh we're getting this mahogany table that's just sitting in the middle of an open field. 327 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,480 Unbelievable. Look at this. Yeah, Africa never sees this. Look at this. You can't write this stuff. 328 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,600 Where is this table supposed to fit? 329 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,560 Yeah, this is gonna be this. This should be it. 330 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000 Where's Spartan plugs? Don't waste the Spartan plugs. I'm gonna start traveling with a big bag 331 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,960 of Spartan plugs on Destination Truth. You think he's gonna get it started? Well, 332 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,560 let's hope he does because it's getting dark. 333 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,560 You think he's gonna get it started? Well, let's hope he does because it's getting dark. 334 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,080 We were able to get the boat running and get ourselves back on land before nightfall. 335 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,960 The next day, my team and I readied ourselves to continue our search for the Mokaleum of Embe. 336 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Considering the remote area of the lake and the dangerous waters, our guide insisted we needed 337 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,720 a bigger and faster boat in case we were attacked. Our new captain had heard many tales about the 338 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,720 Mokaleum and seemed a little nervous about looking for it. While the team loaded up our 339 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,120 equipment, he shared his own opinions about the creature with me. People believe that there is 340 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,480 something that moves underwater and you hear the sound of the tremor. You know, the waves 341 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,560 will move with it and people are actually letting them think the king of the lake. The king of the 342 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,280 lake is passing. They don't know what it is. Do you think it's possible that there is some 343 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,160 large creature that nobody has identified yet which lives here? No one knows what lies in the water. 344 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:23,600 Music 345 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,680 We rode for two hours across the lake to the southern swamp region where the witnesses told 346 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,800 me they'd seen the Mokaleum. We talked to everyone in the area and they verified that they too had 347 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,360 seen the Mokaleum in this region. Their stories were the same. Reported sightings occurred in 348 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,760 both day and night. The creature was large, reddish brown and had the power to knock over a boat. 349 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560 After hours of searching the area, I spotted something. 350 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:06,880 Music 351 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,560 That is a big ass crocodile. 352 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,280 That's not too much bean. Oh, here you are. 353 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,520 How long was that guy you think? 10, 12 feet? Yeah, but it's 10 foot crocodile. 354 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:32,000 Good lord. That thing was huge. Wow. Well, I guess I'm going to cancel my afternoon swim. 355 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,640 Despite the captain's apprehension, we decided to keep searching for the Mokaleum in these croc 356 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:51,440 infested waters. I see something big in the water. Can you pick that up on your camera? 357 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,080 Where are you looking? Right here at my 12 o'clock. 12 o'clock? Right here. I see something in the water. 358 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,120 Whatever it is, it looks big. 359 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:09,920 Casey, whatever that is, it is much bigger than a crocodile. I'm just barely starting to get it. 360 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,880 Whoa, see that pop up? Yeah, right there, right there. 361 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,840 Whatever it is, I think it's moving. I think it's alive. 362 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,480 Yeah, I've got it now. This thing on the left looks enormous. 363 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,160 So enormous that it could flip our boat over. It looks as big as the boat from here, whatever it is. 364 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,760 All right, let's put the handgun away for a minute. That dude just brandished your firearm. 365 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:54,080 I just lost it too. I just lost everything. 366 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000 Everybody in the lookout, whatever it was, was right next to the boat. 367 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,960 Whatever it was, it went back under. Whatever appeared right next to our boat vanished before we 368 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,200 could identify it. Nothing to do but keep searching. 369 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,720 We spent the rest of the day looking for what popped up from the water but had no luck. 370 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,280 This was the epicenter of our investigation and I wasn't going anywhere. We kept our eyes on the 371 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:49,440 water and day turned to night. We used an underwater sonar system to scan the lake beneath us 372 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,960 and a hydrophone to record the sound. The rest of our investigation would be concentrated on the 373 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,680 water's surface. Hoping whatever we saw would come back, we used our infrared cameras and night 374 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,080 vision scope to pierce through the darkness. To further aid the search, we employ our fleer 375 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,720 thermal imager which detects living creatures by imaging the heat they give off. And finally, 376 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:14,320 we used our most important investigation tools, our eyes and ears. Whatever we saw earlier was big 377 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:24,640 and wouldn't be hard to miss if it surfaced anywhere near us. 378 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,160 Case? Something kind of bobbing around up here. What do you got? 379 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,440 I don't know, I just saw something like it rippled up right over there with that 380 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,640 disturbance. Did you see that right there? I thought I saw something like a group of ripples 381 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,480 that were just totally independent of anything else just right at the surface. Like there was 382 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:57,680 something right there. I get nothing out of the thermal. Hear anything funny? 383 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,920 Not hearing anything out of the ordinary. Just sounds like moving water. 384 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:17,200 Nothing on the fish finder. A couple small fish. 385 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,440 Casey, it sounded like something just thrashed the man up here. I got a whole bunch of bubbles 386 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,120 coming up on the front camera. White bubbles all over the surface. 387 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960 Something was definitely around the boat. 388 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080 Whoa. Hear something? 389 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,880 I'm trying to shut my light out. I don't know what we've sat far. 390 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,200 Yo, Josh? Yeah? 391 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,160 I just had something huge pass under the boat, long. Pick it up with the fish finder. 392 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,080 Look what goes off to our right. See him bubbles all over the camera. 393 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,320 I got something funny in the thermal right here. I got something red hot in the water. 394 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,760 Something just cruised right by on the thermal. Red hot. 395 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:18,960 I got something funny in the thermal right here. I got something red hot in the water. 396 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,400 Something just cruised right by on the thermal. Red hot. 397 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,800 Whatever it is, I don't see it anymore. Yeah, I don't have anything here. 398 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,640 Nothing on the fish finder? No. 399 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:42,240 I mean, there's not a doubt in my mind that something just cruised by this boat. 400 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,000 It was still unclear what we were seeing in the open water near the southern swamps. 401 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,280 We waited several more hours, but whatever it was didn't return. 402 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,200 I needed to take our footage back to the States and see if we could enhance the quality to give 403 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,760 me a better look at whatever surfaced out there. And what about the hit on the thermal imager? 404 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,520 Was that evidence that would help me to get to the bottom of this story? I couldn't be sure. 405 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,800 We made the next flight from Lusaka to Los Angeles and digitized all of our footage into the 406 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,680 computer to get a clearer picture of what we saw in Zambia. Well, what do we got? 407 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,240 I've been able to enhance the thermal. Great. I'm from the water. You picked up something in 408 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:24,240 the bottom left there at one point. It starts there. We have to push in a little bit blurry. 409 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,920 And with some image enhancing software, we're able to clean that picture up. 410 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,480 Top to toe, what it really is, is definitely something hot in the mix of everything else that's 411 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,640 in the water there. Yeah, I mean, it certainly looks organic. I think cleaning up a little bit 412 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,160 is giving us a little detail on the top, but there's no real characteristic features there 413 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,840 that we can kind of hang our hat on. I'm not really prepared to say what that is. 414 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,720 With the thermal evidence in conclusive, we decided to look at the video footage we recorded 415 00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:00,240 during the day. So what I did is I froze it here. I was able to push it on it quite a bit. 416 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,320 And then on the cleanup. 417 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,040 Go on the hold. A hippo. A hippo. That is a hippo. Certainly the appearance when we were out there 418 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,000 was actually of looking at, you know, two parts of one creature. Right. And what we're now actually 419 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,320 seeing is that we've got two different hippos that have breached the surface here. But certainly 420 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,240 the way that their heads just clear above the waterline, it looks like you're looking at almost 421 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,320 something serpentine. It's an arch in the water. Yeah. And I think the people in this lake, they 422 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,240 know of this myth, they see something like this, which certainly we couldn't identify. And that's 423 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,560 I think how this legend gets more and more heat on it until people are really just, you know, 424 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:45,040 believing it. Well, I think we can lay the mochile to rest. I think so. Hippos. 425 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,040 It is impossible to trace the beginnings of the story of the mochile in a bembe, although it isn't 426 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,920 hard to imagine tales of mysterious creatures in these exotic swamps. Hippos and crocodiles are 427 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,160 difficult to identify from the surface. And when grouped together, they can appear to be a much 428 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,720 larger creature. The confusion and excitement we felt when we spotted something in the water 429 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,800 is exactly the type of encounter that has propagated this legend for centuries. 430 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,800 Hopefully this investigation will put an end to the hysteria of a living dinosaur in Lake 431 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,200 Benguelu. Besides, a two ton hippo flipping your boat is scary enough.